MarcAurel / 2 Feb, 2011 at 02:29 pm
You are quite right sir. The reason why there cannot be a positive side to any aspect of the third reich is that each and every bit of its actions and politics where determined-to-the-bone by their anti-humanist and anti-semitist Herrenrasse ideology, especially the more social aspects listed here. Motivations and events in history are always intertwined and interdependent, so in that way, it does not make sense to look at an isolated aspect and try and find a good side to it. These things can only be understood in proper context, espacially when it comes to National Socialism. There is no rational or philosophically consitsent way to turn the catastrophy of Nazism into positive light. Those who are challenged by these statements I would strongly advise to get familiar with the post-WW2 german philosophy and political philsophy releases.
*Entiendo parte de las maquinaciones del poder, la dominación y la sumisión y su encanto / I too have me eyes tinted red
Islam is a religion, not an orginization bent on world domination, you idiot. And on what do you base this exactly, besides your racist paranoid views of the world?
Nazism was brought to power by contributions from corporations such as IG Farben and Krupp; fascism is a form of capitalism.
Meanwhile, in other parts of the world, the policies of Churchill (Bengali famine 1943) and, earlier, the king of Belgium in 1880-1920 (the rape of the Congo), among many others, were killing millions. The difference is that the victims of capitalism in their millions were primarily non-white, and their deaths are not in any capitalistic history books such as those of the US. Look up the bombardment of Damascus by the French in 1926 or the invasion of the Phillipines by the US in 1901 if you want to un-skew your view of world history and begin to form a balanced view of the relative atrocities of Christians, Muslims, socialists, capitalists (in all their forms — US, Nazi, Brit imperialist, etc.).
Krypster / 8 Feb, 2012 at 04:22 am
Hope it wont get that bad as it would have in Christ regime.
It is a religion which spread throughout the world with Iron Headed Violence.
This is an interesting point: Why are there those who seek to put a positive light on what the Nazis did? It’s curious, isn’t it? As if the items named in this top-ten list, somehow, will provide a more balanced account of the Third Reich? I really and truly don’t get it. “Hitler was a vegetarian who loved his dog!” Yeah, so?
neonshadows / 1 Feb, 2011 at 05:17 am
Why are there those who try to claim the Nazis were pure evil?
People use this to excuse their own behavior. “I might be bad but at least I don’t kill Jews!” The Nazis had these excuses and justifications. I might kill Jews but at least I don’t kill animals!” We need to rid ourselves of relative morality and judge ourselves absolutely.
This may veer towards off-topic, but let me throw one explanation out there.
Americans have watched the US get into one war after the other (Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, maybe Syria next?) as the MSM rationalizes and defends the whole way, and each time, it turns out that everything was different from what the MSM says it was at the time.
After watching this happen a few times (older people will recollect the way the Viet-Nam War was packaged and sold back in the day) many people begin to suspect that they really shouldn’t trust everything they hear, and at this point, they seek to test the beliefs they were fed in their tender years. All this revisionism, Nazi or otherwise, is just a natural human desire to test and verify the tenets of one’s world-view so one can separate the reliable data from the MSM/indoctrination BS that pounds them every day. The longer the experience of being brainwashed and duped, the deeper the scepticism of all official-sounding gate-kept doctrines grows..
Abdulla / 16 Jun, 2011 at 11:56 am
If there is a tard here, its you…… “Islam is a religion, not an orginization bent on world domination??? Huh….?? WTF are you talking about. THAT IS EXACTLY what there goal is. Islam is a RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL IDEOLOGY. They don’t deny that……why are YOU, besides the fact that you are a parrot repeating any liberal bull you here. Read, do research. The number one MAIN goal of islam is world domination. This is as much a fact as water running down hill……here’s one that wouln’t have survived Hilters medical “advances”
NotaNazisupporterRatherAHumanist / 13 Mar, 2011 at 10:52 am
What about religion? No greater evil was brought to the earth. Judging by the standards being discussed here and in your article. If someone that is twisted and evil can’t be accepted for their good side, what is the excuse of religion? The bad side is much worse than the good.
NotaNazisupporterRatherAHumanist / 13 Mar, 2011 at 10:55 am
What about religion? That should count. Nothing is more evil. The only reason that it is not seen that way is because too many have been indoctrinated and believe zealously in the illogical.
TheCodester / 15 Feb, 2011 at 03:17 pm
How come only the Nazis get crap for experimenting on people, even if it caused medical advances? Does noone take into consideration the psychological experimentation done in American Sanitariums and the horrible treatments and experiments done to Americans by Americans for Tuberculosis? Bad things sometimes happen to open the door to realizations. Get over it. Whatever happened, happened.
You are right – it pertains entirely to animals. That is one of the ironies of the Nazi party (and, unfortunately some in modern society – namely some animal rights activists) that they protected the rights of animals but didn’t care at all about the rights of humans who are essentially animals – albeit rational ones.
It is not entirely unlike the situation of some extremist anti-abortion protesters who murder abortionists. They consider abortion to be the unjust taking of a human life but have no qualms about unjustly taking the life of the doctor. I happen to disagree with abortion but I also know that those fundamentalists are perpetrating the same crime – killing someone who has not been justly judged.
And I have heard of some of those murders. That’s so dumb. When any semblance of reason abandons the effort, I just decide to sit out on the debate.
chrom3d / 31 Jan, 2011 at 01:09 am
btw love the shoes created from Nazi ingenuousness..
Ha, dig it. Fashion is the beacon we can all gather ’round in this dark world.
Magnumto / 31 Jan, 2011 at 02:16 am
“The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.” -Marc Antony, in Shakespeare’s “Julius Ceasar”
Great list, Rigato – thanks! Regarding their contribution to “fashion”, another contribution was their military helmet, which was very similar to the style eventually adopted by the U.S. and other countries. Other armies used something that looked like an inverted bowl, but the German helmet had that flare on the back to protect the neck- apparently very effectively.
When the Nazi’s started World War 2 it was all about “the perfect Germany.” The government conquered other countries, invaded their own. In forced strict policies, and “disposed” of anyone or anything they felt was a weakness and or, below them. Homo*****uals were too weird, Jews of an odd religion. Sickness well that of course had to be rectified. If you were sick you were weak so find a cure, no. Let’s just kill them. However, as an evil dictator you have to admit Hitler, takes the cake. Who else could not only convince an entire country that Germans were better than every one else. The Government is above the Germans. It is in fact okay to kill people. After all they were below the Germans, or didn’t deserve to be Germans. That he wasn’t going to try to capture any more countries, and not only that. But have them believe and some actually admired him. The whole country was using the hail Hitler sign for greeting, and hanging the Nazi sign on flag poles. Hitler was a bad guy he killed thousands of people and couldn’t even face his own death like a man. He had to be able to control everything to the very end. However he did an amazing job at manipulating the world, and in the end some good came out of it. This by no means makes the cost any less pricey, and the bad completely and totally outweighed the good.
They got this right?
Banning Vivisection. – they practiced that on humans in their concentration camps.
Animal conversation. – protect animals but kill humans without mercy
Anti Tobacco campaign. – the right thing for the wrong reasons. Hitler only banned them so that he had more fit troops to send into slaughter.
Welfare Programs. – fine as long as you weren’t jewish, gay, a communist, a pole, a russian, a slav or opposed the regime in any way.
The Volkswagon and the autobahn – propoganda tools only to solidify thier grip on power.
Rockets. – The world would have ended if nazis had developed rocketry and nuclear weapons. We were 1-2 years off world destruction.
Advances in film. – More propaganda tools and ways to spread their evil. These advances would have been made anyway.
Advances in fashion. – That these companies you mentioned were connected with the nazis is a thing of disgrace rather than pride. The only fashion that millions who suffered under the nazis saw was the jackboot of terror.
Medical advances. Your kidding, right. Unethical, cruel experiments that contributed nothing to real science.
An all time low for this site. You’ll get plenty of hits but at what price? Dignity and Credibility.
Trybal / 31 Jan, 2011 at 06:31 am
Gotta agree.. This list seems like it was done by a pro Nazi more then anything. Next thing will be a list called “10 good reasons the Nazis had to kill the Jews”
some guy / 31 Jan, 2011 at 07:08 am
This list is intended to inspire DEBATE. Debate can’t occur if you dismiss everything without consideration. This list details things done under the Nazi regime that can be used beneficially today. In my opinion, you can’t say that none of the things listed have ever done any good post-WWII.
What is there to debate? All the ‘goods’ in this list served the Nazi’s in their moral depravity. This list smells of revisionist propaganda. A low for listverse!
neonshadows / 1 Feb, 2011 at 05:40 am
Revionist propaganda! Ha! Name one thing on that list that isn’t true. Oh wait, it’s all true, you just don’t like it.
Froody / 31 Jan, 2011 at 09:24 am
I don’t know how you can blame such subjectivity, for a start, many countries indiscriminately killed civilians during world war 2 (and 1) including USA and UK, it was a very tragic epoch. Banning cruelty to animals has redeeming qualities, surely under your moral jurisdiction. Don’t forget that the nazi’s were in power for 6 years before the outbreak of war, thats a good few years of everybody living off the state (a recent artical by angela Merkel on Multikulti, comes to mind) How can you say the can you call the invention of roads and cars propoganda??? These are utensils used by homo sapiens, and not every German was a nazi, nor did every nazi perpetrate in the holocaust, and are/were thus evil. The world would not have ended if the nazi’s had aquired the bomb, they were trying to win a war not blow the whole world up. The closest mankind ever came to mutually assured destruction was October 1962, and you can’t blame that on the nazi’s. Advanses in film, evil, really….. i don’t think so, Goebbels had nothing to do with the advanses in film, go and ask Marlene Dietrich! Medical anvanses do not hold ecological validity in this list nor in my opinion. Many countries have gained medical knowledge at the expense of individuality, and i can not condone it. When studying world war 2 with objectivity, i don’t think about the holocaust as it distorts perception. The only time one should attempt to relate the holocaust to other things, is when studying the holocaust in it’s self.
And for the six yrs thy were in power before they were oppressive to everyone they hated.
You’re just speculating. Don’t state your personal opinions and speculations as fact, because their not. Just because the people who made the innovations are evil, doesn’t mean the innovations themselves are. You’re not looking at this objectively, but rather emotionally. That and your making up motives without giving any evidence to back it up. And “these advances would have been made anyway” How the hell would you know? You don’t. And saying the person who wrote this is a pro-nazi is just low and pathetic, regardless of how these things were achieved, the achievements themselves were a benefit, and still are a benefit, to the world. And before you go all ape***** and call me a nazi too, I do not agree with the methods they used to come to these advances. But they are advances nonetheless.
Batmansbrother / 31 Jan, 2011 at 02:40 am
whats next ‘Top ten ways terrorism improved air travel safety’ laugh out loud stupid
CAdkid / 31 Jan, 2011 at 02:51 am
Sun Tzu Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles .
Dude…It’s widely known the Israeli government and army is subjugating, killing and torturing many Palestinians…You can’t expect people to believe it’s only Islamic radicals and Neo-Nazis who spout that stuff…It’s known fact. Stop living in denial.
mom424 / 31 Jan, 2011 at 06:18 am
Actually, the evil is all true. It’s just not the ‘only’ thing they did.
The worst of human feelings will percolate in the comments for this list. Luckily, I do not have time to follow carefully the comments. If I would, a meaner, more hateful and intolerant me might emerge. Fracking Nazism
Actually, the german welfare program was built on the expropriation of the jewish community. It was only possible because the posession of the Jews was programmaticly nationalized.
But surely if we don’t know history it will repeat – we can’t just try to black out what the Nazis did. If it weren’t for this list you would have continued to buy from those companies you refer to – so at least one good has come from it. I also suspect that if you looked further into a number of companies (IBM for example) you would find many more that supported the Nazis. IBM provided computer systems (punch cards) for the Nazis to keep records of people they put in concentration camps.
Let’s not forget about all the American steel companies that continued to do business with the Nazis even once the US declared war on them. Oh wait? What about Ford and GM? Both whom created subsidiary companies IN Germany, who built the supply line vehicles, hell even supplied engines used in the famed Panzer tanks. Oh… and when they were bombed by allies, Ford and GM were actually compensated by allies for damages.
The haters of this list exhibit one key thing. Their judgement is controlled by their emotional attachment. That is dangerous. I come from a Jewish background. My Jewish lineage immigrated to North America in the 1800s and were largely spared from the atrocities committed by the Nazi regime to Jews, the disabled and other “social undesirables” I do understand the emotional impact they represent.
But that doesn’t mean I cannot deal with those feelings, overcome them, put them aside and try to *****yze with as little bias as possible, the Nazis as a whole. They were not one-dimensional. Yes it is hard to imagine them as anything other than some crazed sadistic murder robot, but the fact is they were more than that. This list illustrates that, alongside other interesting facts of history one might dig up pertaining to their reign and the advancements in various areas of science and psychology.
If you cannot come to terms with your feelings, look beyond them, think rationally and see beyond the hate and negativity they spread…
History was paved with blood on our ancestors hands. Deal with it.
Actually, the United States was performing experiments in eugenics in the 1920s. The NAZIs got the idea of selective “breeding” of humans from us.
Democracy / 2 Feb, 2011 at 10:04 am
“you try thinking that being at the end of their gun barrels, while they laugh and call you a “f***ing jewish pig” and send your pregnant wife to be gassed to death with your 3 year old innocent daughter”
Oooh, you’re emotional. Try being a Vitenamese man, working in a field. Then have an American come up with a m16, claim he’s giving you democracy, shoot you in the head. Take your wife, rape her and then sell your daughter into prositution. Then burn your house and condemn your whole family as VCs. Ah.. democracy at it’s finest.
You sir, are a real life troll. You have been supping on the nipple of indoctrination and lies for a long time and i’m afraid there’s no cure for you.
Bansey / 31 Jan, 2011 at 06:14 am
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that the Nazis were evil then use what they adopted in Germany in your own Country. We all know that the Nazis did atrocious things but if they had a great idea, regardless of what they did shouldn’t we use it? To use what the Nazis learned from human experiments to advance in medical science seems only right. If the information is there, for me anyway it shouldn’t matter where it comes from. Also don’t take that as me agreeing with what they did, because I don’t.
Not everyone’s life goal is to to be 100% grammatically correct on an internet chat board. Let’s all play nice.
mom424 / 31 Jan, 2011 at 06:30 am
Interesting – this list best illustrates the danger of treating people as members of a group instead of as individuals. It becomes all too easy to excuse all manner of evil – it does’t matter, they’re not like us, they’re not even human, barely animals…. we don’t learn very quick.
And they were nice to animals.
some guy / 31 Jan, 2011 at 06:51 am
If we have the knowledge, we should use it. And I agree with the introduction: today, it’s easy to dismiss the entire Nazi movement as evil; no more than historical boogeymen, so to speak. But the truth of it is that despite the Holocaust and Nazi imperialism, they were not just out to destroy Europe. Like any other regime, they were out to make their country the best that they could, and although their views and methods were misguided and undeniably evil, it’s obvious that in some areas, they succeeded.
Canuovea / 26 Apr, 2011 at 01:41 am
Well, yes and no, they had to run a joint ticket with some of the nationalists (or whatever fringe rightist party). They did get a bare majority from that, I believe, but the Nazi party themselves never were given a majority. And they had to, rather undemocratically, ban the Communist Party. But even all this wasn’t enough to pass the enabling act, which required about a 60% majority, I think. They only achieved that by threatening one of the parties into voting for them. It wasn’t totally legal and democratic in that respect.
HHenry / 31 Jan, 2011 at 07:16 am
Now that we’ve learned about these wonderful things that the Nazis accomplished for the good of humanity, I believe Listverse is morally obligated to publish the “Top 100 Things the Nazis Got Wrong.”
doctor p / 31 Jan, 2011 at 07:48 am
ethically this is hard,the nazis did make some advances,in medicine ,and doctors are gratefull for that ,but of course it was the wrong way to get info. i guess what can be gleaned from this list is that nothing is entirely good[except god] or entirely evil.the advances have saved thousands of lives,maybe these poor souls deaths were not entirely in vain…..
Bernard Marx / 31 Jan, 2011 at 07:56 am
Damn! those nazis were snappy dressers.
at what point does one draw the line between dewelling on the past and remembering it.
Tenmeninabed / 2 Feb, 2011 at 10:10 am
And on the other hand America’s legacy which consist of genocide of the Native Americans, enslavery of Black people and countless invasions on countries that are procalimed as ‘undemocractic’ is a great legacy to you?
G. Schmidt, Germany / 31 Jan, 2011 at 08:22 am
This list is very misleading and will only cater to the wrong ideas of uneducated people who don’t know better and are thus an easy target for any kind of demagogy. Just like back then.
FuzzyWinker / 18 Jun, 2012 at 07:59 am
There were far less than 6 million killed. There were around 1 million actual jews living in Europe at the time of the war, as proven by census records. Do you enjoy the Olympic torch relay? First thought of by Hitler. The tactic of Blitzkrieg is still used (in an adapted form) by all modern militaries to bring about a swift invasion. IBM who make the majority of computer chips, probably one in the computer you are now using actually… they made machines that kept track of prisoners of the Nazis…
I don’t know where you get your facts from buddy. Nearly all historians AGREE on the fact it was around 6 million, shown from multitudes of Nazi records. Not too mention all the homo*****uals, blacks, gypsies and others killed during WW2. The Olympic torch relay was devised by Carl Diem, not Hitler. I don’t care about Blitzkrieg, the key word being ‘invasion.’ Finally your last comment is just blatant stupidity…IBM continued making machines for the Nazis after it was found out what they were doing, that’s despicable. Most companies ceased contact after it was found out what the Nazis were doing. Today America is justifying the mass genocide of Muslims (accidental or not) under the guise of a ‘war on terrorism.’ It’s basically a socially accepted genocide….So Obama already has killed millions of Muslims.
FuzzyWinker / 19 Jun, 2012 at 04:30 am
Read some historiography on the subject of the holocaust and the subject if the foundation of Israel in response to your first point, also the Nazis tasked the SS with destroying the majority of the records of the concentration camps. When I said the olympic torch relay was devised by Hitler, I should really have said under Hitler, as it was at the 1936 Olympic games in Berlin. If you know anyone in the military then you should be thankful for Blitzkrieg, it has probably saved more lives than if we were without it.
You mention the American companies ceasing contact with the Nazis. Well not the American government, in the V-2 and V-1 rocket factories they used slave labour from the concentration camps. Yet America was all too happy to greet the scientists who took part in the overseeing of the production of those rockets with open arms to begin their work on rocket technology that would eventually lead them to the moon.
Randall / 31 Jan, 2011 at 08:40 am
Absurd and offensive list. The very premise is non-sensical; the most murderous, brutal, and corrupt dictator can still institute some “good” or helpful policies, says the list writer…. well what of it? All governments, at any given time, exist *in some small measure* to serve the citizenry, even if *most* of the time they exist mainly to brutalize, terrorize, and steal from that same citizenry. So the premise for this list rests on a non-issue. No matter what, if we try judge Nazi Germany even just by what it did for its people, it ends up to have been a horrible regime and a tremendous negative for the German people (let alone everyone else in Europe and other parts of the world). There’s not even a *point* to a list like this, except to extol the obvious, which is that evil doesn’t spend ALL its time being *egregiously* evil. Well no *****. I’m sure Jeffrey Dahmer would have petted a puppy now and then. But that doesn’t make me want to stretch credulity by writing a list enumerating all the good things he may have accomplished in his life.
Moreover, not only is the list based on a silly (if occasionally technically accurate) premise (but then technical accuracy is NOT the same as “truth”) it’s also *inaccurate* or at best misleading on several points. As an example… Fashion. Really? FASHION? We’re supposed to believe that jackboots and black leather trench coats were some boon for mankind that we couldn’t have done without? Or that someone ELSE of a less bloodthirsty mind might have come up with? (Well, maybe we should scratch that—the very nature of much of the Nazi “fashion” was designed to dramatize and romanticize fascism, to strike fear in people, and to give monsters attractive uniforms—it required a certain amount of bloodthirst to design and wear such things, one would think).
Modern rocketry was NOT the invention of the Nazis—it was a parallel development by men from various nations–including Robert Goddard, an American (prior to WWII, and before Von Braun was even born, Goddard was formulating the theories for practical modern rocketry, and building his own rockets) Tsilkovsky, a Russian, and men like Hermann Oberth, a German. Von Braun was, yes, a brilliant rocket enthusiast and his team of scientists was largely responsible for the first practical, functioning ballistic missile—the V2–and later for the various rocket programs of our own country… but this doesn’t make his accomplishments out to be *Nazi* accomplishments. Far from it.
The Nazi bureaucracy, in fact, did little to help German technological progress during the war. Despite all the vaunted secret weapons and technological leaps made by Germany at this time, the fact is that they were all more *hampered* by the Nazi regime than in any way assisted. Nazi governmental incompetence made exploitation of these new technologies virtually untenable… and the fact that in the end none of them did anything at all to change the outcome of the war or even delay German defeat is proof that the Nazis were utterly incapable of making proper military use of the boons that their scientists provided. To award rocketry to them as though they were “responsible” for it is laughable and absurdly wrong, therefore, in any historical sense.
I could go on and on. Film innovation, for instance—hardly. Leni Riefenstahl is the only figure that can honestly be held up as “innovative” out of the Nazi period—the fact is that the true innovativeness of German cinema came BEFORE the Nazi period, during the Weimar republic, and it was those very anti-Nazi innovators and artists who were responsible for German Expressionism and other forms of cinematic artistry that the Nazis found decadent and detestable. Nazism drove the vast bulk of these cinema artists OUT of Germany… largely to the benefit of American cinema.
No matter how you look at it, this is a bad and ill-conceived list that should never have made it online.
Jeapers / 1 Feb, 2011 at 11:26 am
“technical accuracy is NOT the same as truth” Actually, damn right it is, moron! Technical accuracy is EXACTLY the truth. LMFAO!
And while the Nazi bureaucracy might have done little to help German progress I’ll tell ya exactly what did – The Americans! Damn right they did; doing business, shielding war criminals, and limping in at the end once the Russians had already done the job. (also – stealing all that Nazi gold).
So……………. Check. And. Mate.
Scratch / 1 Feb, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Actually, Randall’s right. Technical accuracy and the truth are not the same. The two can overlap, but they are not EXACTLY the same thing. Something can be technically accurate but omit pertinent information that thereby causes the listener or reader to jump to an incorrect conclusion. For example, if you had to appear in court as a witness and then someone asked where you were and all that I said was that “you were summoned to court because of a criminal offense” I would be technically correct although people would jump to the conclusion that you had done something wrong. The truth, however, would be that you had done nothing wrong.
Your point about the Nazi bureacracy is logically inconsistent and therefore meaningless.
” the most murderous, brutal, and corrupt dictator can still ”
Once again, a ‘human being’ so easily mislead by lies and then claims he came up with these opinions himself. Stalin was the most murderous dictator with a kill/death ratio of 100,000,000 to 1. , and Ghengis Khan killed more people than Hitler. Yet I bet you wear a Stalin t-shirt or proclaim how great Stalianist Russia was.
“The Nazi bureaucracy, in fact, did little to help German technological progress during the war. Despite all the vaunted secret weapons and technological leaps made by Germany at this time, the fact is that they were all more *hampered* by the Nazi regime than in any way assisted”
They invented the Volskwaged, KDF, computer, jet plane, nerve gases, automatic rifle, stealth technology, audio technology, management systems, modern sewage treatment facilities, space rockets, IR techonologies, everything IBM and the list goes on.
It looks like you better not use a computer, go on a jet plane, listen to audio, have a job, go to the toilet, marvel at space photographs or use anything to do with IBM if you hate Nazis. BUT OH WAIT.. you’re a fickle person so now you’ll say ‘yeah they did this and i use all this stuf….. but still kiled doze 6 mil jews and stuff.. brb gona go play on my computer and listen to audio’
You sound very anti-Nazi which in unusual. You’re even demonzing inventions that help us today. It seems to me like you have something buried deep in your past – the only way you can hide your faults is by demozing the Nazis.
Sir, you deserve to be shot into space.
Randall / 2 Feb, 2011 at 11:23 am
Okay, jackass. I can’t believe I have to waste my time with the likes of you, but here we go.
Even this LIST ITSELF does NOT claim that the Nazis “invented” the Volkswagen. Read again. The Nazis did NOT “invent” the Volkswagen.
The COMPUTER was, in fact, a BRITISH invention if *anyone* invented it. The first actual computer in any real sense was Colossus, the computer designed and built by technicians from the British Post, and the geniuses at Bletchley Park, for the purposes of decoding. NO German “computer” even comes close to this. In fact, I know of NO German work on computers that even comes in the neighborhood of Colossus, or the computers being developed in the US about the same time. Certainly nothing predating either.
NEXT… the jet plane was NOT a German/Nazi invention. IN POINT OF FACT the FIRST operational jet was BRITISH, not German. The Gloster Meteor. The Germans came up with a more efficient airframe design, and in some ways a better engine (though their best was badly prone to catching fire) but the jet was NOT their invention. Experimentation with jet technology had been going on in Britain well before the war.
NEXT… Nerve gas? Are you kidding? This was invented PRIOR to WWI, and you can make an argument about who came up with it in a practical sense first—but certainly not the Nazis—seeing as they didn’t exist yet.
The automatic rifle is at best arguable. Browning, for instance, would have something to say about it.
Stealth technology? EXCUSE me? Pray tell—what stealth technology were the Nazis responsible for? You’re simply pulling stuff out of your ass now. If ANYONE could be said to have “invented” stealth per se—in any real sense—it would be the British… but it all depends on what you mean by “stealth.” However, there’s certainly no German/Nazi innovations in stealth that I’m aware of.
MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS? Are you *****ing for real? Do you even have a CLUE of what you’re talking about? The Nazi war machine AND government were both INCREDIBLY inept management systems. They were rife with favoritism, ridiculous compartmentalization and backward thinking theories. It is a MYTH that the Nazis had some particular management genius. In fact, at every step Nazi mis-management of both the military, government, and science ended up costing them dearly—very dearly.
I’ve already pointed out that rocket technology was NOT a German, let alone a Nazi invention.
I could go on and on.
FuzzyWinker / 18 Jun, 2012 at 08:20 am
When he says automatic rifle, if he is referring to an assault rifle then he is correct. The first true assault rifle was made by the Nazis as the Stermgewehr-44 or STG-44. This was the basis of the design that went into both the M-16 and the AK-47.
For computers look up the “Zuse” machines, they were being developed by a German inventor, while it may not be from the Nazis, you said you knew of no German work on computers at that time.
While experimentation with jet technology may have been going on in Britain it was largely ignored until after the war. As you said, the first OPERATIONAL jet aircraft was the Meteor, but that does not mean that the Germans did not have their own version during the war (of which there is much evidence) It was just not effective enough to have entered wider applications in war.
For stealth technology look up the Horton HO 229, it is the first aircraft with any kind of anti-radar technology. It is also argued to have been used in the design of the current “Stealth bomber” used by the USA.
Rocket technology was not a German invention at all, but they did develop the technology much to the benefit of the USA and NASA. Look up Wernher Von Braun, a Nazi rocket scientist who later went on to build the Saturn-V rocket that was influential in the moon landing.
To quote you: “Learn some *****ing history before you comment here.”
Anonymous / 31 Jan, 2011 at 09:53 am
However, I don’t believe that the Nazis were looking out for the welfare of every German citizen. They were concerned with those that they considered to be true Germans, and everyone else was only good for slave labor.
Also, the idea of welfare and social nets came about much earlier than the Nazis. Otto von Bismark instituted such programs in the 19th century, before Hitler was even born.
I am a firm believer in banning animal vivisection and am a strong supporter of Animal Rights, but I take nothing to do with extremist groups that condone killing people. Although I must add that I believe the Nazi’s may well have been trying to make some point about their anger towards animal suffering and made the decision to treat what they deemed ‘lesser’ humans in the appalling way we treat animals, maybe as a kind of brutal ‘poetic justice’. It is a well-known fact that Hitler was an animal lover – and a sick, twisted nutjob.
Armadillotron / 31 Jan, 2011 at 11:05 am
The Nazis also dicovered that smoking caused cancer, and wanted to find a cure for it. Which is one of the best things ever. And Nazis loved animals, Hitler adored his Dog, Blondi, we know he poisoned her to test poison, but he also said, “I`d never let a Russian have my Dog,” Himmler was a Chicken Farmer, he said, he ran the SS, “like Chickens,” and Hermann Goering had a pet Lion. and also, Hitler admired the British Empire. He said he wanted Russia to be “His India.” They also make great movie-villains. Also, Hitler was an Aries like me. so Hitler and the Nazis aren`t all bad. And for God`s sake, Communists killed more people than they ever did. and What have Commies ever done that have benefited the human race? Er-nothing.
ZedroZ / 31 Jan, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Putting animal welfare above the lives of 6 million people? The Nazis were terrible people, any advancement that they gained in science and medicine was purely for their own ends, not the good of the world. They really is no argument here. The Nazis were pure evil no matter how you look at it! The fact that Hitler prized the life of his dog over the life of innocent humans should be enough to tell you about the mans morals.
Himmler was responsible for more deaths during the war than any other, and you think he was a decent bloke because he kept chickens???
Please… Get your head out of your @rse and look at what the Nazis achieved, a 6 millions strong death count, End of story
Armadillotron / 31 Jan, 2011 at 01:43 pm
Yeah, Hitler killed 6, million Jews. And he killed OTHER people as well. Gypsies, Commies, Frenchmen, Soviet POWS, the disabled, etc. He`s thought to have killed 21, MILLION, not 6, million. And have you ever heard of Jasenovac? And sure he killed millions. And? What about the Commies? They killed more people than the Nazis ever did. at least over a hundred million people have been killed by the ghastly ideology of communism. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, North Korea, Romania, millions were killed because of this evil idea. Stalin`s Purges, the Ukrainian Famine, the churches destroyed, Mao`s Great Leap Forward, where up to 38, MILLION are estimated to have starved to death, And I`ve been to the Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum in Cambodia, where it shows the people that were killed by Pol Pot, and the ghastly memorials made out of SKULLS. So yeah, the Nazis were filth, but Commies are just as bad-or worse.